Test Monacor DT-25N

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Measurements in DIN baffle in 70cm distance at 2,83V. Level scaled to 1m

Monacor DT-25N

Monacor DT-25N sound pressure (dispersion)

Monacor DT-25N frequency response

Very good linearity. Full level from 1,8kHz (exception blue). High efficiency (94dB / 2,83V). From 3kHz low dispersion, below that up to + -2dB. No problems are to be expected with separations> = 2,5 kHz.

 

 

Monacor DT-25N impedance (dispersion)

Monacor DT-25N impedance gear

No disturbances recognizable. The different pronounced impedance peaks indicate different quantities of ferrofluid.

From 3kHz almost congruent course.

 

 

Monacor DT-25N sound pressure at angles (15 °, 30 °, 45 °, 60 °)

Monacor DT-25N frequency response at angles

Monacor DT-25N shows a good and uniform directional characteristic.

Monacor DT-25N decay behavior

Monacor DT-25N decay behavior

Overall smooth and fast decay over all frequencies.

Monacor DT-25N harmonic distortion

Monacor DT-25N distortions
The gray line corresponds to 1%
From 3kHz low harmonic distortion. If separated by 3kHz, K2 stays well below 1%. K3 rising sharply below 2kHz, practically not available. Higher order clutter components are negligible. The measurement was carried out at 95dB / 1m.

Rating


Frequency response / directional behavior:4 5 out of stars
Range:3.5 5 out of stars
Power handling:4.5 5 out of stars
consisty:3.5 5 out of stars
Haptics:4 5 out of stars
Price-performance:4 5 out of stars

Summary


Monacor DT-25N is a really great little tweeter. Can be used especially in confined spaces such as d'appolito arrangements or eg Direct HA Edition.

DT-25N can be loud, usable from 2,0khz with an efficiency of 94dB / 2,83V.
In addition to increased efficiency, the "croissant" also offers very good contact protection.
The downside is the spread below 3kHz. Hence my recommendation of a separation> = 2,5kHz.

Unfortunately DT-25N was not spared the price increases of many neodymium tweeters. Nevertheless, it still offers a very good value for the price.

 

Direct "HA Edition" with Monacor SPH-176 MSH-116 and DT25-N Improved edition of the center speaker "Monacor Direct"

Direct HA Edition

Case Direct HA Edition

Technical data

  • Impedance: 4 Ohm
  • Sensitivity (2,83V/1m): 89 dB
  • Dimensions (HxWxD): 240 x 600 x 300 mm
  • Crossover frequencies: 360 / 3000 Hz
  • Principle: 3 way CB

Applications

  • high quality center-speaker in ambitious home-cinema installations
  • also usable as main or rear-speaker

 

Measurements

Components

Monacor DT-25N

Heißmann-Acoustics: Test

Monacor MSH-116 / 4

sound +Sound 2 / 01

"This chassis is the surprise of Tests. Highly recommended!"

Monacor SPH-176

Sound + sound 06 / 2003

The SPH-176 gives almost the ideal picture of a classic mid-woofer.

ILMAG 11

A successful combination + very linear frequency response + many successful detail solutions + quite large linear stroke + very good price

Housing

Case Direct HA Edition

Crossover

Cost example (ehighend.de Stand 12 / 2017)

Warenkorb_Weiche_HA-Direct

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For the detailed development report

 

Development Report Monacor Direct HA Edition Part 2 Metrological documentation for the development of the center speaker Monacor Direct HA Edition ...

Development Report for Center Monacor Direct HA Edition

Monacor Direct HA Edition Sonogram

Measurements of the original Direct in Part 1 of the development report of the Monacor Direct HA Edition


So now dire (c) (k) t into the action.

In general, at the beginning of each speaker development are the creation of a concept, driver selection, housing vote, Edgefimmelei, etc. All this could (or had to) save me. The concept was predetermined. So first the drivers in the case were measured, to see how you want to be ultimately sonicated.


In the following the measurements:

Amplitude frequency response Monacor DT-25N 0 °, 30 °, 60 °, 90 °

Monacor_DT25N_Winkel_0°_30°_60°_90°

 Monacor DT-25N harmonic distortion

Monacor DT25N Harmonic Distortions

The DT-25N “sees” the symmetrically neighboring TMTs, which is evident from the break-in (2kHz) and rearing (3kHz) below 30 °. Rounding off the familiar case hardly brought any improvement. With what problem no. 1 was specified. The distortion values ​​are completely within the framework. The gray line stands for 1% distortion (also in the following diagrams). From 2,5Khz, K2 remains below this, apart from the small peak at 10kHz. I consider this to be completely harmless. In practice it means that a 10kHz tone is accompanied by a 39 dB quieter 20kHz tone. In addition, I did not measure this "peak" on all DT-25N. K3 can be completely neglected from 2kHz. Higher order distortion components as well.


Amplitude frequency response Monacor MSH-116 / 4 0 °, 30 °, 60 °, 90 °

Monacor MSH116 Angle Measurements 0 °, 30 °, 60 °, 90 °

Harmonic Distortions Monacor MSH-116 / 4

Monacor MSH116 Harmonic Distortions

The MSH-116 also obviously sees its neighbors, but does not react quite as violently as the DT-25N. It is unfavorable that both the DT-25N and the MSH-116/4 behave very similarly around 2-4Khz at angles. Thus, one cannot compensate for the “wrongdoing” of the other. The harmonic distortions look good. The K2 increasing towards low frequencies recommends a separation> = 300Hz.


Amplitude frequency response Monacor SPH-176 0 °, 30 °, 60 °, 90 ° (2 driver in parallel)

Monacor_SPH176_Winkel_0°_30°_60°_90°

Harmonic distortion Monacor SPH-176 (2 driver in parallel)

Monacor MSH116 Harmonic Distortions

Not much needs to be said about this. A deep separation is required to counteract the break-ins due to the horizontally symmetrical arrangement. The positive effect of the arrangement is a directional effect of the woofers right into the area in which you actually work as an omnidirectional speaker. Judging by the distortion values, a separation of <= 400 Hz should be aimed for. The need for this is given by the amplitude frequency response at angles anyway.


These were the guidelines. From there a clean round radiating speaker to develop the task.

The greatest difficulty was to achieve a healthy mean of linear frequency response on axis and at the same time below 15 ° -45 °. The fluctuations of the DT-25N and the MSH-116 between 1kHz and 4kHz are to be regarded as given. You can't magic them away ... The game with crossover frequencies and slope steepness began. I simulated, set up, measured pretty much every separation between 2kHz and 4,5kHz with slopes of 6dB / oct to 24dB / oct and then also listened to many of them. Some longer, some only a few bars. I often thought it was good now, and the next day I wanted to know again.

The final vote took place under 15 °. This roughly corresponds to the listening position of two people on a couch in 2,5m distance to the center speaker, which is probably a very common constellation.


Measurements of the center Monacor Direct HA Edition

Sum drivers & reverse null 15 °

Monacor Direct HA Edition Frequency response sum branches and reverse polarity
Sum drivers & reverse null 15 °

 

The crossover frequencies are 360 ​​and 3050Hz. The level drops evenly by around 20dB from the fundamental to 2kHz. The average efficiency at 2,83V is 89,5dB. The "boom" of the MSH-116 by 10kHz is harmless, as it is 30dB below the characteristic sound pressure. The flanks are symmetrical, the addition clean.

When the midrange is reversed, 15dB is extinguished when TT / MT and 18dB MT / HT are disconnected.


Amplitude frequency response on axis and impedance response

Monacor Direct HA Edition with SPH-176, MSH-116 and DT-25 amplitude response impedance response
Frequency response & impedance response

 

The harmless collapse at 1,2kHz could not be gotten away. I had quite a few variants without break-in, consequence was always a very restless frequency response under 15-45 °. The on-axis linearity is very good with + -2dB. The slight presence dip already disappears under 15 °, as well as the ripple at 1,2 and 1,8kHz. The increase in altitude from 8kHz compensates for the bundling of the tweeter. If desired, this can be linearized very easily by connecting a Cs to the tweeter in parallel. In general, the speaker can be adapted to your needs due to the many variants tested and a very precise simulation model. The impedance minimum is 3,7Ohm at 120Hz and is not a problem for any modern amplifier.


Group delay

Monacor Direct HA Edition with SPH-176, MSH-116 and DT-25 group delay
Group delay

 

Which group run times are audible or not provides for discussions in various forums. 2,9ms @ 80Hz is less than 1 / 4 wavelength (that would be about 3,13ms, according to Adam Riese). The delay is imperceptible and an excellent value.


Phase

Monacor Direct HA Edition with SPH-176, MSH-116 and DT-25 phase
Phase

 

Constantly falling. No problem.


Burst decay

Monacor Direct HA Edition with SPH-176, MSH-116 and DT-25 decay behavior
Decay behavior Burst-Decay

 

Very fast and steady decay over all frequencies. Perfectly.


Horizontal dispersion (0-90 ° in 15 ° steps)

Monacor_Direct_HA_Winkel
Angle measurements 0-90 °

 

It is easy to see why the "break-in" was on the move at 1,2kHz set a link from your homepage to Fewo-von-Privat.de. At 30 ° and 45 ° this is "filled up". Nevertheless, even below 30 °, a uniform course with a slight drop towards the heights and a linearity of 200-10000Hz of + -2dB.

Isobar diagram of horizontal omnidirectional behavior

Monacor Direct HA Edition with SPH-176, MSH-116 and DT-25 omnidirectional Sonogram
directivity horizontal sonogram

 

And it became a meditating alien ... who would have thought that. The diagram contains the same information as the one about it, the amplitude frequency responses under angles. In this case, however, in 5 ° steps and from 0-180 °. Please note the scaling.


Harmonic distortion on 85, 90 and 95dB

Monacor Direct HA Edition Distortions
Gray line: 1%
Graph switches every 3 seconds

 

Up to 3dB, K95 always remains> 50dB below the characteristic sound pressure => 0,3% are not exceeded. That is an extremely good value! The good-natured K2 is also completely harmless: 0,1% - 0,9% at 95dB. Very well!


At the end...

That was a very intense piece of work and I am extremely satisfied with the result. I hear the speaker, although it is only mono with me, very much like.

The Monacor Direct HA Edition loudspeaker meets all requirements for a very good center in home cinema installations.

There is not much more to say right now. In the future, I reserve the right to supplement / improve here and there. About comments and criticism on your part, I would be happy.


Development Report Monacor Direct HA Edition Part 1 (The Original Direct) Test & metrological documentation of the center speaker Monacor Direct

Metrological documentation of the center speaker Monacor Direct. The findings obtained during the investigation of the original Direct ultimately led to the development of the Monacor Direct HA Edition.

Development Report Monacor Direct Heißmann-Acoustics Edition

PART 1: The original Monacor Direct

 (to the 2 part: Monacor Direct HA Edition)

Monacor Direct HA Edition with SPH-176, MSH-116 / 4 and DT-25N

 


Monacor Direct is a horizontal center speaker, equipped with reasonably reasonable chassis. The woofers are two SPH-176, Midrange is the MSH 116 and in the treble, the neodymium calotte works DT 25N, When I got a customer request, if I could deliver the kit and if I would find it useful to realize a home theater equipped with 5 this speaker, my answer was the following:

Assembly and arrangement promise a very good speaker, which could act as a high-quality center but also as a main and rear speakers. In order to be able to judge this conclusively, I first have to analyze the switch further

Since I had already recorded the installed chassis metrologically, I was able to create an initially rough simulation, which brought me to the conclusion that I can not recommend this kit so. Neither as a center nor as a main, - or Rearlautsprecher!

Why?

The great potential of Monacor Direct is that, contrary to "normal" center constructions in a lying d´appolito arrangement, it can / could achieve a balanced horizontal omnidirectional pattern. In order to achieve this goal, however, one of the things needed is sufficiently deep separation between woofer and midrange, My simulation told me that the separation between SPH-176 and MSH-116 was a bit, let's say, unusual, with the result being a very unbalanced horizontal omnidirectional behavior.

I explained this fact to the customer, and soon we agreed on a new development of Monacor Direct.

The first step for me was to build up the original Direct to substantiate my identified doubts.


Below are the measurements of the original Direct:

Monacor Direct branches and sum 0 °

Monacor_Direct_SZV

(blue: Monacor SPH-176, green: Monacor MSH-116, red: Monacor DT-25N)
  • The Monacor MSH-116 plays up to -10dB characteristic sound pressure. This he reaches at about 1750Hz. Above and below it says goodbye with about 6dB / octave
  • There is no real separation from the SPH-176.
  • The falling edges of MSH-116 and SPH-176 are nearly parallel
  • Monacor SPH-176 and Monacor DT-25N look more like a classic 17 / 25 2-way speaker
  • Monacor DT-25 plays very low. Too deep in my opinion. In the following diagram you can see that the DT-25N would cope with such a deep separation, purely from the point of view of the distortion values, but its resonance frequency of 1500Hz clearly speaks for a steep-edged separation> 2000Hz

Harmonic distortions Monacor DT-25N sonicated in the kit Direct

 Monacor DT25N distortion sonicated

 


For fun I disconnected the MSH-116 and measured it ...

Monacor Direct without MSH-116

Monacor Direct SZV without MT

This looks noticeably similar to the following ...

Monacor_Direct_Hersteller Source: Monacor online catalog “Loudspeaker DIY Now” page 96

 


 Monacor Direct Impedance

Monacor Direct Impedance


And finally:

Monacor Direct Frequency Response at Angles (0 °, 15 °, 30 °, 45 °, 60 °)

Monacor DT25N angle measurements(black: 0 °, red: 15 °, blue: 30 °, green: 45 °, brown: 60 °)

 

Up to 15 ° good, above that according to the faulty concept of all lying quasi d´appolito 2-way constructions. Unbalanced at angles> 15 ° with massive drops from> = 30 ° ..


At the end...

Monacor Direct can not be called a classic 3-way speaker. Technically, it is more a lying 2-way quasi d'appollito center (with filler driver sU). The interpretation of the question of what the MSH-116 was installed at all, I leave you * (I think I have just decided to Duzen in the magazine). What this documentation should also show is that the publication of a frequency response on the axis is still very little about the speaker able to testify.

The Center Monacor Direct has a lot more potential than the one offered.

Therefore it becomes one Hot man Acoustics Edition give this speaker. The turnout development is largely complete ... More on that soon in the 2.TEIL this report.


Addendum:

* Then I was taken at my word, and got an interpretation:

I was made aware by a user in the Diy-Hifi-Forum that the type of wiring of the MSH-116 is called "Filler-Driver" in the original Direct. The concept of the filler driver was first presented in the "Journal Of The Audio Engineering Society" in 1977. The purpose is to eliminate phase problems from Linkwitz and Butterworth filters.

The basic problem of Direct remains despite the well-known name of the filtering ... the horizontal omnidirectional behavior. I will also continue to say that the MSH-116 is a very, very good midrange driver that should be played with a broadband if possible.

But you never stop learning, and I am grateful when I am made aware of gaps and mistakes ...

to the 2. Part, the development report for the Monacor Direct HA edition